week 5 - day 1 trial

[vicedirector]

seven vices case 5 trial, day 1 ♫ saturday At 9AM, every television will go off, loud enough to wake anyone sleeping. The calm, apathetic voice will advise everyone to gather in the chapel for the trial. Static will continue to blare in the head of anyone dillydallying. Once all of the guests have gathered in the chapel, the doors will lock. Most of the pews have been moved aside to allow for more space, and a few tables have been set up on the altar. On the first, there is an additional copy of the rulebook, and the information cards of the victim and suspects laid out, with space for the suspects to provide their whereabouts, as well as an autopsy report. There is also a large wheeled chalkboard upon which you may write theories. On the second table is a pitcher of water and some glasses, as well as very simple sandwiches and pastries. The door behind the altar has finally been unlocked. It's a rather plain room with an area set off by a folding screen. Inside, you will find a table on which the victim's body has been laid out. Next to the table, two black and white photographs have been hung on the screen. they are close ups of the victim's body, as it was found when the body discovery announcement chimed. A few sticks of incense burn in the corner to avoid any smells. At 6PM, the trial will adjourn. Everyone will be escorted back to the hotel by Miata, after which everyone is allowed to head to either the kitchen to get dinner, or to their rooms. Attempting to wander off into the other areas of the hotel will trigger the static alarms in everyone's heads/televisions. >Discuss? victim suspects VOTING cast setting rulebook

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[detanimetion]

I cooked dinner for me and Papyrus around 7:30 pm and nothing exploded! [Pause.] I mean, nothing more than usual anyway.

[herbgrace]

Thank you. Then what we should be looking at is where everyone was from 7:30PM to 10PM when the pool would become inaccessible

[detanimetion]

Lucy and Clover were both together after 7:15, so unless they're accomplices and lying to cover each other, that rules them out. And I can't imagine why they'd do that considering that Lucy nearly died - you'd think if they were working together, they would have come up with a plan that didn't put her in such huge danger like that.

Everyone else seems to have a hole in their alibi during that time though. Even Bill was only with Faize until 8:30.

[herbgrace]

Maybe we should all just stay in one large group all week. [Everything is difficult all the time.] Getting yourself seriously hurt like that, while convincing, doesn't seem like something someone would attempt without some experience with that sort of thing. [And Lucy's card doesn't mention explosions.] At least with the time narrowed down we can examine what everyone was doing more closely.

[detanimetion]

We could try! I'm getting pretty tired of spending hours during the trial wondering where all the suspects were and why the victim would leave their room at this time or behave this way. Though seeing how hard it was to get people to use roomfriends at all...[Yeah she is 100% serious about this anything to make these dumb puzzles easier to solve]

Right! It's not like stabbing yourself non-fatally and pretending someone else did it - an explosion would be pretty hard to predict getting out of alive.

[symbologic]

Bill has no idea how a stove works though. He doesn't even know how to cook, let alone how to tamper with it in order to make it explode. I believe he is possibly the least likely culprit in this.

[detanimetion]

So what? You don't need to know how a stove works to make it explode! I know exactly how a stove works and it still explodes every time I try to use it even when I don't want it to! [logic]

[symbologic]

[NOT LOGIC? not even close.]

That's while using it, though. That is entirely different than the situation we are looking at now. Someone knew to tamper with the gas line, in order to cause an explosion at a later time. Someone who does not even know how to turn a stove on or how it functions could not possibly know to do that.

[detanimetion]

He could always be lying about not knowing how to use one! [But okay she doesn't have a dog in this race one way or another aside from SAVE CLOVER train.]

But if that's the case then...I guess Inaba and Satori seem to be the most likely culprits? Leaving your notebook at the murder scene seems like a really terrible way to try to frame yourself though.

[symbologic]

I sincerely doubt he's lying. There are many things that Bill does not know in regards to living as a human. I have had to remind him no less than three times that he needs to sleep. And he's been living off of uncooked food out of the fridge and snacks from the general store this whole time. Even if it were a ruse, it seems excessive to wait five weeks before putting it to use.

[That is like...an excessively long con. Who would even...]

I see no reason to rule out Clover or Lucy yet, however. Even if they were together after 7:15, they are both suspects. There's nothing to say one or both of them aren't lying or that one of them didn't manage to slip away for a brief period without the other one noticing.

[herbgrace]

What I think is most against it being Lucy or Clover or both is that in order to be included as an accomplice you have to aid knowingly, and as Undyne mentioned, it's difficult to believe they would both participate in a plan that could get Lucy killed. It would be hard to argue that she was involved accidentally, as well, since she would have known to avoid the kitchen until the explosion occurred.

[detanimetion]

[nodding!] The only way I can see it being Clover is if she didn't know Lucy would get caught by the trap and it was an accident. They're also both really sure that neither of them left that evening, and it's not like in last week's case where one of them might have been asleep. If the killer did drop the knife in the pool between 7:30 and 10:00 and it's not some sort of trick, then they were both awake during that time.

[herbgrace]

I suppose it's possible that Lucy is lying for Clover's sake at this point, since it's not as if Lucy could be double added to the suspect list. [Two different icons, maybe.] But it does seem very risky for it to have taken place the other way around or with both of them totally aware.

[detanimetion]

Right! Plus...Clover doesn't strike me as the type of person who'd set up a trap dangerous and unpredictable enough that it could kill anyone, y'know? She has a lot of friends here, and any of them could have been unlucky enough to use that stove first.

[symbologic]

How is it hard to argue that she was involved accidentally? Is it not possible that Clover could have tampered with the stove, intending to kill, not a specific victim, but rather whomever used it next?

The fact that that person happened to be Lucy is something she could not have wholly accounted for, even by sharing a room with her.

[Don't write off the smol pink squad yet, guys, it's way too early for that.]

There is also still the possibility that Lucy intended to get caught in the blast, in order to make herself seem like a less likely suspect. I know this has been brought up before, and that it's...rather unlikely, but there's no reason to dismiss it entirely yet. She did say that she'd moved away from the stove to go find Miata, did she not?

[detanimetion]

Because she wouldn't have had any time to drop the knife in the pool in that case! We know it had to have been dropped between 7:30 and 10, but Lucy says she was with Clover that entire time - and if she's lying, then she wouldn't have accidentally turned on the stove in the first place! [UGH PROTECT GLITTERSIS] Unless you think the killer didn't use the knife at all and chucked it in the pool way earlier to throw us off, but then what did they slash the pipes with?

It's...possible I guess, but still risky. Plus she wouldn't have had time to drop the scarf into the dryer unless she did it earlier before finding Cheshire. And we still run into the same problem with her as we do with Clover when it comes to the knife in the pool.

[herbgrace]

I'm not dismissing it entirely as an option, but I think it's fairly unlikely to say Lucy risked herself intentionally, at least.

[dhaosu]

I think your idea has merit. Clover could have tampered with the stove indeed, being the main mastermind, although it is more likely Lucy did not intend to get caught up in the blast. Perhaps she tried to distance herself and leave once she knew what was occurring.

[billarious]

Oh hey, that's a good point. [He's just been eavesdropping this conversation because he heard his name come up--]

It's totally believable that Pigtails and Diamonds could be accomplices if Diamonds meant to get away before anything exploded, and Looking Glass just set it off earlier than she wanted. All of this "she wouldn't risk her life like that" or "Pigtails wouldn't let her risk her life or hurt her friends" doesn't mean anything if they never actually intended to, and it just accidentally happened that way.

[herbgrace]

Why would she be in the kitchen at all in that case? It would be safest to stay away and wait. It's not as if you'd miss the sound.

[billarious]

To throw off suspicion. "Why would she be in the kitchen?" Good question. It doesn't make sense, right? Obviously if they set up that trap, they wouldn't have any reason to be in the kitchen.

So if she does enter the kitchen in the morning, and manages to narrowly avoid the blast by asking someone to start cooking without her while she goes to do something real quick, she's going to look innocent. It's just like framing yourself to try and avoid getting caught. It's all a tactic.

"Great risks equal great rewards" or something like that, right?

[fourleafcleaver]

It's Clover and Lucy! [DEFENSE SQUAD INCLUDES ADDING LUCY TO HER BELLIGERENCE OVER NICKNAMES]

Anyway, all of the stuff about risks still totally stands with a plan like that! If it requires the victim to set it off, there's way too much that could go wrong and the risk is still there even if you mean to be somewhere else. And Lithuania's right, there wouldn't have been any reason for her to be in the kitchen if that were the case!

[fourleafcleaver]

It's stupid to talk about a possibility we already said was super unlikely when we've hardly considered the other suspects at all. [HEARD THAT YOU WERE TALKIN' SHIT]

And anyway, there are way too many people I wouldn't have wanted to get killed for me to try doing something random like that. That's dumb. And I knew Lucy was going to make breakfast the next day, so why would I let that happen to her?

[symbologic]

[He's not talking shit, he's just pointing out possibilities. Keep your pigtails on. The only person he's ruling out so far is Bill because...it's Bill and look at him. He keeps a raw potato on his bed to eat later. He's not our guy.]

Unlikely, but not impossible. Meaning it is more foolish to disregard it entirely than it is to mention it a second time.

And, forgive me, but statements like that mean very little coming from a suspect. [Shrug. Sorry, them's the facts. He doesn't hate you or anything Clover, he's just 2objective4life.] Not to mention, you didn't let it happen to her so much as you failed to wake in time to prevent it. Had Lucy woken you up, or had you done so of your own accord, it would have been exceedingly easy for you to prevent her from making breakfast until after someone else set off the stove.

[fourleafcleaver]

She said Thursday night she'd be making breakfast the next day! [clover why do you always have to yell so loudly about everything all the time keep your pigtails on] If it all had to be set up the night before, I would have known and I could have stopped her!

[she's super butthurt and takes everything super personally all the time whoops. always the screaming] The other suspects have barely been blinked at and we're still talking circles around something we already agreed probably isn't even the case!